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Gaetano
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; the minority always have the louder voice.

The young people of this country don't know what it was like when this country was run by a Labor government. It wasn't good, at all.

Rudd will win though. He has the 18-35 vote in the bag as well as half of the 40 and above. Unfortuante, though...
25/10/2007
Melbourne
phatbass82
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I really don't trust those polls that the news have. Their sample population is so tiny compared to the rest of Australia.
25/10/2007
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Gaetano
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Exactly. I think it will be closer than the polls indicate. Those polls are almost never right; they havn't been at the past 2 elections.
25/10/2007
Melbourne
thetooth
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rudd for one simple fact..... he's new and most of you probably don't know this but in a press conference rudd stated that he wants too improve australia's internet speeds from 6th worst too atlest harf way now isent that insensitive

that's my option #1 Ruddy
25/10/2007
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Gaetano
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Yeah, broadband is an issue for me. But like Howard says, things like that cost money and if you watched the debate he asked, "Where does the money come from?" range.
25/10/2007
Melbourne
thetooth
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Gaetano said: Yeah, broadband is an issue for me. But like Howard says, things like that cost money and if you watched the debate he asked, "Where does the money come from?" range.



yes very important issue because if he dose want it up to harf way then your looking at billions of tax payers money going into this

were all redy short when it comes to public hospital so if this dose happen then rudd will really need a good trick up his slev
25/10/2007
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Foetoid
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thetooth said: rudd for one simple fact..... he's new and most of you probably don't know this but in a press conference rudd stated that he wants too improve australia's internet speeds from 6th worst too atlest harf way now isent that insensitive

that's my option #1 Ruddy



We're actually 30th worst in the world but nevermind.
25/10/2007
Sunshine Coast
thetooth
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Foetoid said: rudd for one simple fact..... he's new and most of you probably don't know this but in a press conference rudd stated that he wants too improve australia's internet speeds from 6th worst too atlest harf way now isent that insensitive



that's my option #1 Ruddy



We're actually 30th worst in the world but nevermind.



no 6th going backwards from worst as in 24th worst
25/10/2007
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dagamster
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phatbass82 said: Howard. I don't trust Rudd...



nether do I phatbass82, besides kevin rudd keeps going on about how the interest rates have risen under howards government when they've only gone up by 1.25% but in labors government in late 1991 the interest rates went up 17% and millions of people lost there homes so I won't be trusting labor ever again
25/10/2007
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annirowe
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My God... Internet speed isnt a reason to want a union government brought into power, Yeah great faster internet, but only accessible by communists. Yeah no thanks....

If you want faster internet pay for it.......otherwise wait until it naturally progresses out to everyone...My god people whinge about stupid things.. My god is it the governments fault that as a photographer I would like a clearer sky at night.... never mind the fact that i "choose" to live close to the city... please..

And Gaetano I dont think I have ever seen you post in the forums..... I like you already!!!!
25/10/2007
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Mill Park, Victoria
dermy
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It will be a cold day before everybody trusts a politician.
I don't entirely trust Rudd, but he clearly know what he's talking about, unlike his feeble opponent, Howard.
25/10/2007
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Melbourne, Victoria
Deed
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Gaetano you really have swallowed all this Liberal crap over the years haven't you.

When the Labour party was in, the interest rates were high as they were everywhere else in the world. It was an unfortunate thing but regardless of who was in power that's where they were going to be.

If you add up what the current government has done to prices over their time (petrol, food, housing) your paying a lot more in those regards and in other taxes than at the peak of interest rate high of 13.5% which only lasted 12months.

IR laws allow new business and current that change their business models to completely screw their employees. You want a country akin to America where the rich get richer and the poor get poorer? The Unions are there to stop such accounts occuring if they weren't there in the past we would still be working 12hours a day and be underpaid.

We are in an apparent golden era of government with a wealth of prosperity, yet education and health are grossly underfunded. We have a billion dollar surplus but does anyone ever see any of it? Oh i forgot your average employee will see a $8 a week extra in there pay.

GST was supposed to releave taxes such as income and various others, last time i checked my pay slip there was money taken out for tax. Petrol still has it's 39c a litre tax and i pay 10% on top of that, a tax on a tax good governing economics there.

Need i go on?
26/10/2007
Melbourne, Victoria
ZOIDBERG
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I like Rudd better the Howard but only as a personality. I like liberal better then labor. So in then end, its not the guy your voting for its what they are going to do. Liberal has been in office for ages now and the country has gone from strength to strength. Under Labor, I bet a lot of things will change, some for the better (Internet hehe) but some for the worse, I bet the country will go backwards or will not improve under a labor party. I hope I am wrong coz it seems Rudd has got this in the back with his personality compared to old man howards.


Keep the devil you know than the one you don't know
26/10/2007
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Deed
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The country has gone from strength to strength do to industries booming eg: mining, also our dollar has increased. The Government has had nothing to do with either. Private companies have boomed and our dollar has risen because the US have screwed themselves and are in massive debts.

If the Labour party is elected you will see little to no differnce in this countries prosperity. When it falls again it will not be a Governments fault. It will happen again it has to, the world market it at a point where majority of it's assets are over valued.

26/10/2007
Melbourne, Victoria
matt2233
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After last time labor was in charge, they put the country into how many billions of dollars of det ??? plus, id bet 100 buks that if labor wins the azzie dollar will drop from over 90 us cents to something dredful like 77 lol.

the faster internet would be nice, and the game developers rebate, but itll be 4 years of hell if you ask me
26/10/2007
Woronora Hts, Sydney
Deed
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The Aussie dollar wont drop due to a Labour Government. As long as the US continue to put themselves in more debt ours will stay the same or rise.

As far as billions of dollars of debt we were in when Labour was the current power, guess what will still are. And if you think all the debt was accumulated during the Labours last innings think again.

26/10/2007
Melbourne, Victoria
annirowe
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To the main people in this discussion how hold are you guys? Matt? Deed? Just curious?
26/10/2007
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Mill Park, Victoria
Deed
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I'm 27
26/10/2007
Melbourne, Victoria
annirowe
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Same here Deed. Oh well only time will tell what will happen.
26/10/2007
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Mill Park, Victoria
Deed
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I think we will get a hung Government and the Liberal party will default to leaders.
26/10/2007
Melbourne, Victoria
annirowe
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Ahh well I wont complain! Sorry Mate.
26/10/2007
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Mill Park, Victoria
Deed
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I don't mind how people vote. I just don't like it when people base there options on Government propaganda, today tonight and the herald sun.
26/10/2007
Melbourne, Victoria
Elraro
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annirowe said: My God... Internet speed isnt a reason to want a union government brought into power, Yeah great faster internet, but only accessible by communists. Yeah no thanks....

If you want faster internet pay for it.......otherwise wait until it naturally progresses out to everyone...My god people whinge about stupid things.. My god is it the governments fault that as a photographer I would like a clearer sky at night.... never mind the fact that i "choose" to live close to the city... please..

And Gaetano I dont think I have ever seen you post in the forums..... I like you already!!!!



What's wrong with Commies? Just because it was applies horribly throughout history, doesn't make it a bad ideology. Just look at Cuba. Perfect example of a Communist country applying the ideology beneficially.
26/10/2007
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annirowe
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Thats why I was asking the question about age.... I have the same belief as you. Make the decision based on an informed information... not propaganda.

Unfortunately whoever has a better marketing team will more than likely win.. Which is a shame.
26/10/2007
NBA Live 08
Mill Park, Victoria
magickstar
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So what do you consider to be propeganda?
Is it a party like John Howards who spends millions of dollars on an advertising campaign to cover up a stupid choice like Worplace Reform? Or a party which happens to be gaining ground through popularity for its policies.
If Labour are in the media, that doesn't mean that they are manipulating the media, it means that educated people are making informed decisions on their choice of leader, and sharing it with others...
26/10/2007
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