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richard84
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jofra01 said: Nintendo should also realise that we Brought the Wii so it is ours and not theirs to sneak updates on to it



I agree with this 100%.

My Wii is unhacked and unmodded - Same as it was straight out of the box (bar the updates I've downloaded.)

We bought the Wii. Provided we are not breaching copyright (i.e. pirating games) it should be none of their business what we do with it.

I'm sure that someone with the right legal knowledge could give Nintendo a run for their money on this. The reality is that a twilight hack save game in itself is not illegal. What you do with it could be illegal, but posessing it isn't.


I also am pretty sure that you could force nintendo to tell us whats in updates before we install them.
17/06/2008
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insidious
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they also do update for our benefit too.. watch how many people cry if nintendo stopped updating it rendering the console obsolete in the next 2 months.
17/06/2008
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LostDjinn
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insidious said: they also do update for our benefit too.. watch how many people cry if nintendo stopped updating it rendering the console obsolete in the next 2 months.



What are you basing that on?
17/06/2008
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insidious
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personal experience... and the 2months was as if it was happening. incase it wasnt obvious, what i meant was if nintendo stopped updating, within the next 2 months youd have people crying.
17/06/2008
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desi
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insidious said: they also do update for our benefit too.. watch how many people cry if nintendo stopped updating it rendering the console obsolete in the next 2 months.


That's funny. I don't remember the NES, SNES, Playstation, Playstation 2, N64, GBA, or DS getting updated, unless you bought an entirely new unit.

Obsolescence is caused by advances in technology, not in firmware.
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insidious
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wii is different to those other consoles.. this as you know requires updates.. those didnt.
17/06/2008
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sjt333
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desi said:That's funny. I don't remember the NES, SNES, Dreamcast, Playstation, N64, GBA, or DS getting updated, unless you bought an entirely new unit.

Obsolescence is caused by advances in technology, not in firmware.



desi does make a good point

obsolescence is a word?

insidious said: wii is different to those other consoles.. this as you know requires updates.. those didnt.


the ds has firmware as well and it doesnt require updates and unless theres a massive bug in a firmware theres no need to update
17/06/2008
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insidious
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sjt333 said:

desi said:

insidious said: they also do update for our benefit too.. watch how many people cry if nintendo stopped updating it rendering the console obsolete in the next 2 months.



That's funny. I don't remember the NES, SNES, Dreamcast, Playstation, N64, GBA, or DS getting updated, unless you bought an entirely new unit.

Obsolescence is caused by advances in technology, not in firmware.



desi does make a good point



indeed he does.
17/06/2008
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desi
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insidious said: wii is different to those other consoles.. this as you know requires updates.. those didnt.



And yet they hosted some of the best and most cherished games, and had good, long, healthy lives. A console is made by its games, as I said. The Wii does not require updates to play games — all the updates have done is change the UI and patch holes, and we only upgrade because the games are programmed to require us to.
17/06/2008
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insidious
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your 100% correct and true as that is, wii still does require us to update as you also said. i couldnt play mario or mario kart without updating. but getting back to topic it doesnt mean they shouldnt be allowed to stop disabling what they want. they are there to make profit not lose it on devices that play games you had for free. games are overpriced so i agree that people buy those things to allow them to save alot of money. but like i said IT* doesnt mean nintendo shouldnt be allowed to block them.
17/06/2008
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insidious said:but like i said doesnt mean nintendo shouldnt be allowed to block them.


wait so you think nintendo should let people hack one of their products so they can get free games? i dont think that would hold up in court
17/06/2008
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insidious
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what?..... im saying they should be allowed to do what they please to stop people.


there was supposed to be an IT in there... refer to my previous post i edited it
17/06/2008
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insidious said: what?..... im saying they should be allowed to do what they please to stop people.


oh ok then

EVERYONE DISREGARD MY PREVIOUS POST
17/06/2008
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sjt333 said:

insidious said:but like i said doesnt mean nintendo shouldnt be allowed to block them.



wait so you think nintendo should let people hack one of their products so they can get free games? i dont think that would hold up in court



what about freeloader, also some people use the homebrew channel for good like their own homebrew games, programs and a media player that lets you watch videos off an SD card.
17/06/2008
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desi
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sjt333 said:

insidious said:but like i said doesnt mean nintendo shouldnt be allowed to block them.



wait so you think nintendo should let people hack one of their products so they can get free games? i dont think that would hold up in court


No, you're looking at it the wrong way. It's about ownership. You bought a Wii, and once you own it, the only further contact you will have with Nintendo is if you send it back for repairs. Is it now within Nintendo's rights to make you use your property in a certain way, as if the old owner of your new house called you and said, "No, put the barbecue on the other side of the yard, just because."?
17/06/2008
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insidious
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fair enough.. but as ive stated before they are out there to make money. they want us going out and buying games and accessories for their machine.. your right we own the machine once weve bought it and we should be able to use it any way we want.. but i still believe that they are entitled to protect their products, the updates SHOULDNT be forced onto you, but i see no harm in having to update to play the latest.


and jofra you made a good point and i see no reason to argue that.


dont get me wrong guys, you all have valid points. i understand where your all coming from, however i stand opposite.
17/06/2008
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I reckon the freeloader makes more money for Nintendo as it gives are greater access to buying more games that aren't released in Australia and nintendo usually gets a cut of the money if we buy them from online shops so why nintendo wants to lose money is beyond me.
17/06/2008
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LostDjinn
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So you've gone from this:

insidious said: they also do update for our benefit too.. watch how many people cry if nintendo stopped updating it rendering the console obsolete in the next 2 months.


To this:

insidious says:
wii is different to those other consoles.. this as you know requires updates.. those didnt.


To this:

insidious says:
what?..... im saying they should be allowed to do what they please to stop people.

there was supposed to be an IT in there... refer to my previous post i edited it


and finally to this:

insidious says:
fair enough.. but as ive stated before they are out there to make money. they want us going out and buying games and accessories for their machine.. your right we own the machine once weve bought it and we should be able to use it any way we want.. but i still believe that they are entitled to protect their products, the updates SHOULDNT be forced onto you, but i see no harm in having to update to play the latest.

and jofra you made a good point and i see no reason to argue that.


Now after that many changes of opinion I have just one question.
Do you remember your name?
17/06/2008
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insidious
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obviously everything interrelates to everything. dont have to be a tool about it jsut cause ive worded it differently. and i havnt changed my opinion. ive stated different parts of an overall opinion, nintendo have every right to block any UN-officially branded stuff and release updates they shouldnt be forced yet they shouldnt just STOP posting updates.. if you dont want to update dont get the new games. simple as that.. i update cause the games require me to otherwise i probably wouldnt.. everything ive said relates...
17/06/2008
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desi said: No, you're looking at it the wrong way. It's about ownership. You bought a Wii, and once you own it, the only further contact you will have with Nintendo is if you send it back for repairs. Is it now within Nintendo's rights to make you use your property in a certain way, as if the old owner of your new house called you and said, "No, put the barbecue on the other side of the yard, just because."?



That isnt a fair analogy. People are hacking Nintendo and making illegal games and Nintendo are simply not going to let that happen.

We can dress this up about what is and isnt right in forcing people to update. But me, you, all of us know this isnt about being forced to update. Most of us wont even notice the difference.

The only people who will notice a difference are those who have changed their wii. The only people who are worried are those who are misusing Nintedo's console.

Or to use your analogy - somebody who buys a house and uses it to operate a drug ring (maybe a bit extreme).

17/06/2008
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slicingman
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Insidious has a point, and he has worded it in different ways so different people can understand.

leave him alone you bunch of retards! or I'll hack you. (eventually)
17/06/2008
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slicingman said: Insidious has a point, and he has worded it in different ways so different people can understand.
leave him alone you bunch of retards! or I'll hack you. (eventually)



Lmfao.

E-thugs give meaning for life.

Hack away, genious.
17/06/2008
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insidious
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lol calm down people this was a good conversation no need to turn evil cause different people have different oppinions..
17/06/2008
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insidious said: obviously everything interrelates to everything. dont have to be a tool about it jsut cause ive worded it differently. and i havnt changed my opinion. ive stated different parts of an overall opinion, nintendo have every right to block any UN-officially branded stuff and release updates they shouldnt be forced yet they shouldnt just STOP posting updates.. if you dont want to update dont get the new games. simple as that.. i update cause the games require me to otherwise i probably wouldnt.. everything ive said relates...



What?
You started off by saying they did it for the good of users.
You moved on to say it was a requirement for the Wii to function.
You then moved on to say Nintendo was permitted to do what they like.
You then finished by saying they're not actually forcing you to update you just can't play games if you don't.

By God you're right!!
You haven't changed you opinion at all.
Good job sticking to what you originally said.
17/06/2008
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crazynites
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greenbob said: You guys are pissed because Nintendo wont let you hack their system?
Where is the rolling eyes emoticon?



This is my response to all of those members here with the same attitude.

My paid for my Wii, it belongs to me, I can do what I like with it knowing full well I may or may not lose my warranty.

If you buy a new car from Holden, I own the car & I can do any modification I like to it that is legal but once again with the understanding that these modifications may or may not mean my warranty is void.

The reason I use this example is most if not all of you would agree its ok to makes modifications to a car you own but not to a console you own ???? Its the same damm thing & you know it.
17/06/2008
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