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Wii Software \ Re-evaluating Wii Graphic Abilities

vertikal
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I was playing Batallion Wars 2 tonight and thought it looked quite pretty for a wii game... so i went back to some older games to try and evaluate what graphics look the best...
I played a few games out of the 28 that i own and came to this conclusion...
Excite Truck looks quite amazing. Go back and have a look. A solid framerate, quite alot of detail and if you look far into the distance on replays you can see the water shimmering miles away. Sure some textures look bland close-up but the game travels so fast, with so many particle effects, that it still looks very impressive indeed.

I think that out of all the games the prettiest are by far Excite Truck, Mario Galaxy, Metroid Prime 3, Sonic Secret Rings, SSX Blur and Zack and Wiki.

What do u guys think? I'm excluding Resi 4 because it's an old GC game. I'm just looking at original wii titles.

I still think we are yet to see the wii can fully do and believe that Factor 5 will raise and set the bar with their title, as they are promising.

And you know what, just to stoke the old fire... I think Capcom will bring out a dumbed-down Resi 5, with graphics twice that of Resi 4, makes monetary sense to. Sure the physics will have to be dumbed-down too, but it could be done. I just think that when Factor 5 show the true abilities of the wii (as they did with Rogue Squadron on the cube) others will follow. Maybe?

Read this, from Factor 5... flamewaradvance.blogspot.com/
05/04/2008
queensland
BlakKnight
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The Wii does have good graphics capabilities. Also, i thought Twilight Princess and SSBB had some good graphics
05/04/2008
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DoGGpound
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I thought Excite Truck looked quite great too .. until I played that similar game on PS3 at Harvey Norman... shattered me. lol
05/04/2008
Brisbane
lukewarm
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i agree with ssx blur, for a early wii game it has excellent graphics.
of course SMG and MP3 still for my mind, have the best though.

05/04/2008
Brisbane, Queensland
mariosbro
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i was quite solidly impressed with mp3 and so was my mate who owns a ps3. only thing that was lacking was some loading problems with some doors but that wasnt too bad
05/04/2008
Metroid Prime 3: Corruption
Melburn, Vic
Gitarooman
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The wii's graphics? Well, from what I have, I can say the games seem to range from Gamecube-high end to very nice clear graphics. (Mostly just nintendo games) What disappointed me is that even if Twilight Princess was just a ported Gamecube game the textures were.. awful. So many ports from other systems with dumbed down graphics isnt doing wonders for the system either. Upon playing SSBB though, it's clear at least Nintendo knows how to get the best out of their console.. But I'd really like to see another company produce the same
05/04/2008
Donkey Kong Country
Brisbane
beralj
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What's Factor 5 new game?
P.S. I personally hated Rogue Squadron on GC...I couldn't get past the first level
05/04/2008
Werribee, Victoria
inuyasha09
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Super Smash Bros Brawl Graphics have to be best on the wii I have played all the main nintendo made wii games It has to be the best with it detail and how if you zoon in there are no changes in the graphics the mario in it is way better model then the one in galaxy.
05/04/2008
Super Smash Bros. Brawl
western australia
XxmadmanxX
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inuyasha09 said: Super Smash Bros Brawl Graphics have to be best on the wii I have played all the main nintendo made wii games It has to be the best with it detail and how if you zoon in there are no changes in the graphics the mario in it is way better model then the one in galaxy.



yeh tru from the games ive played on the wii brawl is probly the best
05/04/2008
Resident Evil 4
Perth
telljoolz
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Yeh. I've always said... even though Wii has lower hardware specs, the crap graphics is not solely due to a hardware limitation.

They can do better if they tried.
05/04/2008
Brisbane QLD
m00
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i think twilight princess graphics looked pretty good
05/04/2008
Metal Slug Anthology
Sydney
Azza123
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I've always thought that Twilight Princess has the best graphics on the Wii, I will stand by that until I see better.
05/04/2008
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
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ragin_bull
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Azza123 said: I've always thought that Twilight Princess has the best graphics on the Wii, I will stand by that until I see better.



It did look great but when your standing right up to the screen you see the shortcuts they took to make it run smoothly (as with RE4 too).

Galaxy is the peak performer as of now I would say.

And I would agree with all of you in that the graphics specs of the wii are fairly understated and underused (as with all of the wii's hardware potential as of now).
05/04/2008
Resident Evil 4
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vertikal
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Haven't played Smash yet, but glad to hear it looks good. I s there water in it? I think ninty games shine with their water, like Mario Sunshine on GC. Excite Trucks on Wii... even Batallion wars (although 2nd party) and Rogue Squadron (2nd Party also). The water is great in Zelda Wii, but the textures are blander than what can be done. I thought zeld looked too GC, with too much aliasing.... I was impressed with design, but not graphics for twighlight.

Only one of u for Excite? Anyone else?

have 2 add that Smash has the advantage (like Galaxy) of smaller areas to render with detailed textures. Excite goes so fast that it blurs any unsightly textures, but Retro said they only used 70-80% of wii abilities (due to starting as a GC game) so i can't wait for the next Retro and 1st Factor 5 results. I think 'Disaster' will push it too, seeing that ninty bought that company recently... their 'hardcore' investment of this gen. That's what i like about wii and ds... it takes creativity to shine, whereas it's too easy on the ps3 and xbox360. I was considering picking up a ps3, but there is no 'fun' games, it seems all hardcorey graphicsy, i want a mix of both. I hope we get something 3rd party on the wii this year thats a little more hardcore (graphically and content-wise) because I really don't want to stray from the ninty-only strtegy I've focused on for all these years.
06/04/2008
queensland
bylim5
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Super Mario Galaxy has probably got the best graphics. smash brothers is not far behind either!
I'd like to see a game that pushes the wii ridiculously like what rogue squadron did for the Game cube. I played that game a few weeks back for the first time and its really impressive!!!
06/04/2008
Ninjabread man
Melbourne, Victoria
vertikal
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bylim5 said: Super Mario Galaxy has probably got the best graphics. smash brothers is not far behind either!
I'd like to see a game that pushes the wii ridiculously like what rogue squadron did for the Game cube. I played that game a few weeks back for the first time and its really impressive!!!



yeah, I go back to it alot. I remember picking it up when it first came out and was blown away technically. One of the few games I've finished, and I'm not even a huge Star Wars fan. Rogue 3 (despite on foot missions) looks even more impressive. Did u read the article about Factor 5 porting it to the Wii?! I want that as a budget title dammit! I actually think that by the time Wii has 50 or so million owners we'll begin to see publishers demand graphically-pushing 3rd party games, because they know a large majority of owners will also be in the minority of 'hardcore' by that point.

Geist also looks good on GC, so I'd love to see a Wii sequel to that unique title too.

I mean, if we can be delivered games that look technically stunning, over the next year and a half, (along with some hardcore titles) I won't even consider looking at other consles for a hc-fix. I'd rather stick with the one company I've always been a fan of. I'm 32 btw.

Knowing me, I'll probably wait till the release of Wii2.0 in 2010, when ninty goes all HD (because they can monetarily and justifiably do so when everyone has a HD tv set.

I appreciate that by being the new 'casual' machine they have re-taken the mantle taht ps2 borrowed, with singstar/buzz, but I want them to deliver to ALL crowds like the ps2 did. I mean, i know that ninty make the best casual and most fun adventurous games, casul and otherwise, but I want Capcom. Namco, even Rockstar, to give us some ps2 harcore class with wii graphic abilities (see I'm trying to keep my drunken rant on track there) so that all crowds are pleased, like they obviously were with the Ps2.

Anyway, I'll shut up 4 now and offer one more question of the wii's graphics abilities... Aparently we have come so far with texture compression (wiki it 4 proof) then how come we have blurry textures on the Wii? Dodgy cheap publishers? I think so. Like Julian from Factor 5 said, it's just publishers trying to make a quick buck out of the wii, something they thought would be a gimmick. But now that the wii is proving itself, above and beyond the GC, we should actually see the energy, creativity and effort put into graphics as a result. This is the machine that is the natural conglomeration of GC/PS3... bettered graphics/bettered inputs... over just graphics alone. The PS3 is a whole other generation ahead of itself, like the Dreamcast, which has slowed them down. They should have stuck to that whole casual thing I guess... and expanded from there.
06/04/2008
queensland
inuyasha09
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Super mario galaxy has horrible grpahics on the starting cut seen the floors where Snes graphics and its chunky sometimes brawl always has smoth grpahics.
06/04/2008
Super Smash Bros. Brawl
western australia
vertikal
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inuyasha09 said: Super mario galaxy has horrible grpahics on the starting cut seen the floors where Snes graphics and its chunky sometimes brawl always has smoth grpahics.



In english, what do u mean Galaxy has Snes graphics? What do u mean? "Seen the floors Snes graphics"... what does that mean? I'm confused.
06/04/2008
queensland
BlakKnight
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inuyasha09 said: Super mario galaxy has horrible grpahics on the starting cut seen the floors where Snes graphics and its chunky sometimes brawl always has smoth grpahics.



ok. how exctly does galaxy have snes graphics?
BLASPHEMY!
06/04/2008
Super Paper Mario
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inuyasha09
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BlakKnight said:
inuyasha09 said: Super mario galaxy has horrible grpahics on the starting cut seen the floors where Snes graphics and its chunky sometimes brawl always has smoth grpahics.
ok. how exctly does galaxy have snes graphics?
BLASPHEMY!


lol it's a joke and a bad one at that
06/04/2008
Super Smash Bros. Brawl
western australia
ragin_bull
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inuyasha09 said:
lol it's a joke and a bad one at that



<stops shining my axe> Oh good one!.
06/04/2008
Resident Evil 4
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Foetoid
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Why exclude Res Evil 4. The graphics on the Wii version are much better. I played and finished the GC verision 12 times, and was pleasently surprised by the leap in texture resolution provided by the anamorphic 16:9 480p. The different is quite significant. The best looking Wii game is Prime 3 easily. Its no surpise the Wii graphics are quite good. The GC had equivalent power to the Xbox1 thanks to its far superior archiecture and faster ram/read speeds. The only thing that wrecked it was the disk space, which meant devs had to compress everything and it didnt' look as good. Since the Wii is twice the power of the GC, it's then twice the power of the Xbox1, and the games should look twice as good.
06/04/2008
Sunshine Coast
vertikal
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I only exclude Resi4 because it was originally made and released for the cube. I like to leave that one in my list of best looking games for the cube.

Also, the wii cannot do graphics twice that of XBox1, because both GC and Wii are missing the vital component that made Xbox1 games look so good... shaders.
However as mr factor5 says, you can do some creative tricks to replicate shaders, which they will be doing in their wii game... then we may have a game that looks Xbox1 times two.

It's only the bloom lighting that makes Metroid3 look pretty... if they have of done the shader trick on that game it'd look way more awesome.
06/04/2008
queensland
 
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