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Wii Hardware \ Epic Calls The Wii a 'Step Back'

hainaku
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hainaku says:
If i was a shareholder of EPIC, i'd have a few words with the CEO, on why the company hasn't capitalized on the popularity of the Wii. It's potentially losing out on millions of $$$ in revenue.

Unfortunately EPIC is a privately owned company. So they can do damn well whatever they want.
21/04/2008
Okami
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Version2
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Version2 says:
There are quite a few reasons why Epic Games Epic Fail (I love that pun), Wii makes way more money than any other console, not making games for it because of personal reasons is wasted potential. Also, I consider the Wii the most "next-gen" console out of any, as it is a step in a new direction moreso than the 360 and PS3, and getting someone to show theirs to their friends who they buy one is great marketing! There isn't much more I can say that other people have't, so /rant.
21/04/2008
Super Smash Bros. Brawl
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ragin_bull
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ragin_bull says:
20 million wii owners can't be wrong.

However that could be said about smokers lol.

Everyone and anyone, especially the top level game industry big hitters in which this person thinks he's a part of, who has a REAL opinion on gaming respects what the Wii has done for video gaming.

Sure some may not like the console but they respect Nintendo's effort to keep things fresh. This person obviously hasn't a clue.
21/04/2008
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davy
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davy says:
i like my wii, there is already a host of good games out (super mario galaxy, re:UC), plus much more in the near future (ssbb, mariocart, wiifit). but I (and probably most of us here) demand more mature games and games focusing more on online play. for example i desperatly want a blockbuster first person shooter (mp3 didnt hit the spot) which isn't lazy enough to simply ditch multiplayer online or even split screen! (yes i am talking to YOU EA!!). also on my wish list is a realistic driving simulator games like gran tourismo(honestly, which idiot would release a game such as gt Pro series on a next gen console?! have the developers of that game ever driven a real car before, jesus every f***ing car in the game simply oversteers!) but there does not look like much on the horizon. unfortunate revheads like me will have to do with mario cart or nfs.

but the motion controls is definately a step forward in the gaming market. in some cases, the wii sensing system is not calibrated finely enough (or in most cases, developers have not spent enough time or thought). so whilst i do not regret buying my wii, i think there is definately heaps of room for improvements
21/04/2008
melbourne, victoria
Foetoid
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Foetoid says:

sjt333 said: if you think about it the wii is a next gen console it offers innovative ways to play games and what do the 360 and ps3 offer shinier graphics



I do understand what you mean about the graphics, i've got a high-end PC so i know that good graphics make a game great. But for example Unreal Tournament 3 looks amazing, far better than its predecessors, but still plays just the same as UT2004. Devil May Cry is the same, DMC4 doesnt feel any different from the previous games. There are dozens of examples. Then you've got the Wii, knowing that better graphics dont make the games any better, but the interface does. Res Evil 4 on the Wii controls 10x better than the previous ones with far more accuracy, Zelda and Prime 3 are the same. My real complaint is the fact that the Wii HAS all the potential in the world to really change how games are played and add a new level of immersion, but there is barely a dozen games that do it perfectly. The devs need to wake up and make the games work brilliantly with the controls at hand.
21/04/2008
Sunshine Coast
jimmiq
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jimmiq says:
"HE SAID: It's a virus where you buy it and you play it with your friends and they're like, "Oh my God that's so cool, I'm gonna go buy it." So you stop playing it after two months, but they buy it and they stop playing it after two months but they've showed it to someone else who then go out and buy it and so on. Everyone I know bought one and nobody turns it on. Obviously there's a class of people who really love it and enjoy it and are getting into the games but I'm still waiting for that one game that makes me play it."

omg....lol but i kinda agree with this, although i don't think this is taking a step back, its definitely FORWARD!!!, its only cause of dodgy realease titles and stuff...
21/04/2008
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Wii_Man876
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Wii_Man876 says:




'Nuff said
21/04/2008
Sydney, NSW
Richey
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Richey says:
His entire opinion depends on what you define evolution as. Either just constantly upgrading the graphics with every new generation of console or change the experience the user has with the console. Like I don't know about everyone else.. but I'd rather a console in the future I could play with my head (thinking about it) then just prettier graphics.
21/04/2008
Geelong, Victoria
Rus_a7
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Rus_a7 says:

Wii_Man876 said:


'Nuff said




I think you mean:
21/04/2008
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FireStrife
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FireStrife says:

omg....lol but i kinda agree with this, although i don't think this is taking a step back, its definitely FORWARD!!!, its only cause of dodgy realease titles and stuff...



Yeah. I agree. The Wii has so much more potential. People only stop playing on their wii because of the lack of really good titles and new games. I mean, you can't exactly keep playing the good games over and over because eventually you'll get tired of them. There just needs to be one (and eventually many other games) that show that the wii isn't so bad graphically. Also, just look at games like the force unleashed. It hasn't been released yet, but on sites like gamespot, I've seen plenty of people saying they will get it on the wii instead of their PS3 or 360. As long as games offer good use of the wii controls, the wii is not a step backward...
21/04/2008
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Wii_Man876
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Wii_Man876 says:
No i dont Rus
21/04/2008
Sydney, NSW
cura
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cura says:
@ foetoid, what about bioshock & mass effect?

edit: I don't know why there is always the ps3/360 (graphics & powerful cpu/gpu) vs wii (motion sensing controls) arguments, both are good... and if you don't agree with that then you going to have trouble accepting the next generation of consoles which will integrate next-gen hardware with updated motion sensing controls.

Just look at zelda ocarina of time, considered one of the best games of all time, and it was the new technology in the nintendo 64 that drove this revolution in gaming (2d to 3d). Granted, going to the ps3/360 from xbox/ps2 is probably not as big a leap - and leads to more evolutionary steps in gaming rather than revolutionary steps, but there are still some amazing games that have be born out of this new hardware of the 360/ps3, bioshock immdediately springs to mind, and I'm sure MGS4, and GT5 will be other standouts of this generation.

That said, the wii with the new motion sensing controls also enhances games, but I would say that the best wii games provide evolutionary increments rather than revolutionary steps in gameplay. The best example of this in my mind is RE4 wii, which is easily in the top 3 wii games despite it being a last generation game. The wii controls greatly enhances the gamplay of RE4 but in no way is it revolutionary.

the point of this rant was to suggest that the hardware from the 360/ps3 side and the motion sensing controls from the wii, are both steps in the right directi
21/04/2008
Sydney
bigwiiwii
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bigwiiwii says:
someone's obviously got their hands in Epics pocket (i'm looking at you MS) or vice versa...

to use Mike Capps basis for judgement (i don't own any Epic games, but will just assume this), EPIC IS A DOG'S BREAKFAST!!!
21/04/2008
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dermy
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dermy says:
"Everyone I know bought one and nobody turns it on."

Okay, assuming he's not including himself, that would be total of 2-3 people?
How's the nerve? Having a go at another system? Please. It's been done. We all know the flaws of each system, and it isn't going to change.

I like the Wii a lot, and I like the 360 a lot and I don't like the PS3. That's all that needs to be said.
21/04/2008
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Foetoid
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Foetoid says:
Bioshock and Mass Effect could still have been done last generation. It wouldn't have looked as good, but still played the same. The leap to HD graphics is not a big deal, everything being made now could have been done 5 years ago and played just as well, just look worse. Nintendo on the other hand have released a console that has genuinly enhanced the way games are played, not looked. Now it's up to the developers to take advantage of this and actually make some games like Metroid Prime 3 that look great and play brilliantly because of the perfect use of the new controls.
21/04/2008
Sunshine Coast
Version2
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Version2 says:
The most revolutionary kind of gaming you could get would to control it just like you would real life, so it seemed like you were actually part of the game, that would be the best gameplay, although knowing Mike Capps, he would probably still say that was a step backwards.
21/04/2008
Super Smash Bros. Brawl
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hainaku
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hainaku says:

Imagine this - Nintendo can easily release the next version of the Wii with graphics and memory that are on par with the 360/PS3. of course it would have the same price tag as the other two.

would EPIC then take a different view?

more importantly, would it sell as much consoles as the current Wii?
21/04/2008
Okami
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greenbob
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greenbob says:

Richey said: His entire opinion depends on what you define evolution as. Either just constantly upgrading the graphics with every new generation of console or change the experience the user has with the console.



Exactly. Graphics are just that - graphics.

Why play the same games over and over again with better graphics each time?

I would much rather play something innovative and revolutionary.

The other thing is - have PS3 games and XBox 360 games really reached their potential in terms of graphics?

I am sure a handful of developers have been churning out gorgeous titles but how many other developers can afford the time or money?

Most of their games could comfortably work on the wii.

This whole Nintendo is for kids attitude is getting tiring. So what if Nintendo develop games aimed at a yougner audience? It hasnt stopped us getting game slike Resident Evil 4.

If more third party developers supported Nintendos console with the titles they claim are missing from it then they would have nothing left to complain about.
21/04/2008
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Gaetano
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Gaetano says:
I can give you one example of how his point (not his actual quote. He sounds like an arrogant ****) is justified.

Euphoria Motion Engine.

That is something the Wii will never be able to achieve and/or come close to. That engine will be the most revolutionary aspect of game evolution over the past decade, not motion censoring. Take this from someone who has played GTAIV.

hainaku - yes, it would take a different view. Graphics aren't everything, but processing power and the quality of the developer is influential on the quality of the game. The Wii hardware is so basic, you're very limited in what you can do on it. Only Nintendo has really been able to capture the essence of the Wii.

Developers like Epic need advanced hardware to develop gorgeous games with deep interaction and fantastic presentation. Gears of War's gameplay is quite amazing, something that'll never be mimicked on the Wii. Then again, Galaxy's gameplay won't be mimicked on the PS3/360.

While I adore the Wii and many of its games, I agree with him. I think he has been mis-interpreted by the Nintendo fanbase because his comment was so harshly said. To further my point, read my preview on GTAIV hands-on. That (Euphoria) is revolutionary, not motion-censoring.

The Wii is a PS2 with different controls. The 360/PS3 are powerhouses with the ability to evolve and go beyond basic gaming controls. Yes guys, you don't need a motion-censor o
21/04/2008
Melbourne
Gaetano
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Gaetano says:
(cont'd)

on top of your TV for a game to be revolutionary. See Bioshock.
21/04/2008
Melbourne
malaka
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malaka says:
do you mean sensoring?(which isnt even a word) O_O
hold on its motion sensing lol
21/04/2008
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reagsy
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reagsy says:

Mario128 said: I'm a fan of Gears of War but geez the comments this guy has said, there are some really well-made games on Wii such as Zelda and Metroid with many still to come Mario Kart Wii and SSBB



Actually, I'm curious as to what 'many titles to come' you refer to, aside from SSBB?
04/05/2008
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iaculch
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iaculch says:
Well to be fair, the only thing the wii is moving forward in is its controls
04/05/2008
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gokhan
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gokhan says:  
Why is it that 360/PS3 fanboys need to continually comment on how the Wii is not considered 'next-gen'...
04/05/2008
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hamzie
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hamzie says:

gokhan said: Why is it that 360/PS3 fanboys need to continually comment on how the Wii is not considered 'next-gen'...



To keep reminding themselves of why they dont have the wii

anyways i really think wii + xbox 360 is a great combo.

Like sony said.. the wii is a 'novelty'
04/05/2008
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