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malaka said: wen this star (v838 monocerotis) outbursted (it wasna nova or supernova) some light reflected of the clouds around it and it made light rings appear (or something like that) and that light traveled faster that the speed of light ZOMG



That light travelled faster then the speed of light??
How is that even possible..
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boxhunter said:

malaka said: wen this star (v838 monocerotis) outbursted (it wasna nova or supernova) some light reflected of the clouds around it and it made light rings appear (or something like that) and that light traveled faster that the speed of light ZOMG



That light travelled faster then the speed of light??

How is that even possible..



do i look like stephen hawking

nah how would i know if its possible, well it must be cos thats what they said

EDIT:


this is that star and the cloudy thing is the light echo (i think) thats the thing that went faster than the speed of light

EDIT: actually the clody thing isnt the light echo... i dont know what is
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According to Einstein's theory of special relativity, published in 1905, nothing can exceed the speed of light. That speed, explained Einstein, is a fundamental constant of nature: It appears the same to all observers anywhere in space.

The same theory says that objects gain mass as they speed up, and that speeding up requires energy. The more mass, the more energy is required. By the time an object reached the speed of light, Einstein calculated, its mass would be infinite, and so would the amount of energy required to increase its speed. To go beyond the infinite is impossible.
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greenbob said: www.physorg.com/
According to Einstein's theory of special relativity, published in 1905, nothing can exceed the speed of light. That speed, explained Einstein, is a fundamental constant of nature: It appears the same to all observers anywhere in space.
The same theory says that objects gain mass as they speed up, and that speeding up requires energy. The more mass, the more energy is required. By the time an object reached the speed of light, Einstein calculated, its mass would be infinite, and so would the amount of energy required to increase its speed. To go beyond the infinite is impossible.

That, my friends, comes from a guy who couldn't spell, couldn't do his taxes, married his cousin and flunked every subject in school except maths
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Version2 said:

greenbob said: www.physorg.com/

According to Einstein's theory of special relativity, published in 1905, nothing can exceed the speed of light. That speed, explained Einstein, is a fundamental constant of nature: It appears the same to all observers anywhere in space.

The same theory says that objects gain mass as they speed up, and that speeding up requires energy. The more mass, the more energy is required. By the time an object reached the speed of light, Einstein calculated, its mass would be infinite, and so would the amount of energy required to increase its speed. To go beyond the infinite is impossible.

That, my friends, comes from a guy who couldn't spell, couldn't do his taxes, married his cousin and flunked every subject in school except maths



But in the end he is entirely correct.
Nothing can surpass that answer.
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boxhunter said:


Version2 said: That, my friends, comes from a guy who couldn't spell, couldn't do his taxes, married his cousin and flunked every subject in school except maths

But in the end he is entirely correct.
Nothing can surpass that answer.

I think that most of Einstein's theories are wrong, although I am basing this on simple logic so chances are i'm wrong. I'm pretty sure that there are things that travel faster than light, there is evidence of that, as the matter that supposedly travels faster than the speed of light goes right through Earth due to it's small size. The reason they know this thing exists is that particles in Earth move as they pass through Earth. Also, gaining mass as you travel faster doesn't seem possible, as that would mean other mass would be combining with you, then separating from you as you slow down, which to me, makes no sense. If what I said is actually true (I have no idea), this means that it is possible to travel faster than light, you just wouldn't be able to see anything where the light is travelling in the same direction as you.
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greenbob said: www.physorg.com/

According to Einstein's theory of special relativity, published in 1905, nothing can exceed the speed of light. That speed, explained Einstein, is a fundamental constant of nature: It appears the same to all observers anywhere in space.

The same theory says that objects gain mass as they speed up, and that speeding up requires energy. The more mass, the more energy is required. By the time an object reached the speed of light, Einstein calculated, its mass would be infinite, and so would the amount of energy required to increase its speed. To go beyond the infinite is impossible.



well light doesnt have mass does it? so therefore it doesnt need energy to go cos it is energy itself and that means it can go as fast as it wants

did that make sense?
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malaka said: well light doesnt have mass does it? so therefore it doesnt need energy to go cos it is energy itself and that means it can go as fast as it wants
did that make sense?

Sounds resonable, but I'm pretty sure that light is made of something, which means is does have mass. ihave no idea though, it is a transverse wave, so it may not have mass.
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Version2 said:

malaka said: well light doesnt have mass does it? so therefore it doesnt need energy to go cos it is energy itself and that means it can go as fast as it wants

did that make sense?

Sounds resonable, but I'm pretty sure that light is made of something, which means is does have mass. ihave no idea though, it is a transverse wave, so it may not have mass.



light is made of photons which has no mass en.wikipedia.org/ , en.wikipedia.org/
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malaka said:


Version2 said:


malaka said: well light doesnt have mass does it? so therefore it doesnt need energy to go cos it is energy itself and that means it can go as fast as it wants
did that make sense?

Sounds resonable, but I'm pretty sure that light is made of something, which means is does have mass. ihave no idea though, it is a transverse wave, so it may not have mass.


light is made of photons which has no mass en.wikipedia.org/

So I was wrong partially, light is made of something, however it has no mass.
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Version2 said:


boxhunter said:


Version2 said: That, my friends, comes from a guy who couldn't spell, couldn't do his taxes, married his cousin and flunked every subject in school except maths

But in the end he is entirely correct.
Nothing can surpass that answer.

I think that most of Einstein's theories are wrong, although I am basing this on simple logic so chances are i'm wrong. I'm pretty sure that there are things that travel faster than light, there is evidence of that, as the matter that supposedly travels faster than the speed of light goes right through Earth due to it's small size. The reason they know this thing exists is that particles in Earth move as they pass through Earth. Also, gaining mass as you travel faster doesn't seem possible, as that would mean other mass would be combining with you, then separating from you as you slow down, which to me, makes no sense. If what I said is actually true (I have no idea), this means that it is possible to travel faster than light, you just wouldn't be able to see anything where the light is travelling in the same direction as you.



yo...i have a question....were u drunk when u wrote this?
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imCool said:

yo...i have a question....were u drunk when u wrote this?

No, i'm just a huge skeptic. I admit that I am most likely wrong in most of this, but using my logic, most of Einstein's theories make no sense to me. Although with the particles moving faster than light, that's from a documentary on Discovery a few weeks ago. I remeber what the thing is called now, Sub-Atomic Particles.
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Just to be sure that we all know the difference between Mass and Weight

In the most basic way to explain:

Mass = True, universal 'weight.' The Mass of an object will always remain the same.

Weight= The Mass of an object + the downward force of gravity, or any other force.
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Silence said:
In the most basic way to explain:
Mass = True, universal 'weight.' The Mass of an object will always remain the same.
Weight= The Mass of an object + the downward force of gravity, or any other force.

I knew it! Gaining mass is impossible! It always remains the same!

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Version2 said:

Silence said:

In the most basic way to explain:

Mass = True, universal 'weight.' The Mass of an object will always remain the same.

Weight= The Mass of an object + the downward force of gravity, or any other force.

I knew it! Gaining mass is impossible! It always remains the same!

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gaining weight would be impossible in space as well (cos no gravity) zomg so therefore reaching speeds faster than the speed of light is possible in space, yeah?
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Version2 said:

Silence said:

In the most basic way to explain:

Mass = True, universal 'weight.' The Mass of an object will always remain the same.

Weight= The Mass of an object + the downward force of gravity, or any other force.

I knew it! Gaining mass is impossible! It always remains the same!

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no it doesnt..

any object can gain mass

and malaka .. as far as we know you cant reach the speed of light
because.. time would freeze.. your length would dec. infinitely and mass would increase
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malaka said:

Version2 said:

Silence said:

In the most basic way to explain:

Mass = True, universal 'weight.' The Mass of an object will always remain the same.

Weight= The Mass of an object + the downward force of gravity, or any other force.

I knew it! Gaining mass is impossible! It always remains the same!

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gaining weight would be impossible in space as well (cos no gravity) zomg so therefore reaching speeds faster than the speed of light is possible in space, yeah?

Of course you can. If your mass is altered by intake of food, it will change just as it would on earth. The only problem with trying to reach the speed of light in space is that there is no gravity, so you would need something to push/pull you up to the speed of light. Let's say you stop accelerating at 1000ms^-1. You would remain at that speed until another force is acted upon you. That is Newton's Law of Inertia.
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If you stop accelerating at that speed.. a planets gravitational pull can boost you *velocity wise*

and gravity IS experienced in space
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hamzie said: If you stop accelerating at that speed.. a planets gravitational pull can boost you *velocity wise*

and gravity IS experienced in space

I know. Like I said

You would remain at that speed until another force is acted upon you.

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Silence said: in space is that there is no gravity,



im talking about you saying theres no gravity in space
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hamzie said:
no it doesnt..

any object can gain mass

and malaka .. as far as we know you cant reach the speed of light

because.. time would freeze.. your length would dec. infinitely and mass would increase



so what if im in a space ship and i accelerate a bit then turn the engine off so im traveling at a speed, then i turn the engine on again and accelerate a little more then i go even faster ZOMG then i continue that process and then i will eventually reach the speed of light zomg

and i dont think time would freeze at the speed of light cos surely time is faster than light so yeah i dontn know what im on about
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lol.

Even with your engine stopping you cant reach the speed
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hamzie said: lol.

Even with your engine stopping you cant reach the speed



oh poppy cocck how could u possibly know

you just wait till space travel is possible ill try my theory then wen it works ill send a video saying this is to hamzie from mywii 2008 - i told you so
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malaka said:

hamzie said: lol.

Even with your engine stopping you cant reach the speed



oh poppy cocck how could u possibly know

you just wait till space travel is possible ill try my theory then wen it works ill send a video saying this is to hamzie from mywii 2008 - i told you so

You'll need an on-board source of renewable fuel, and one hell of a crinkle-zone in case you crash into a planet.
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